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Musa Kenema
Reply with quote  #1 
Specky and others this is not a hoax...this is for real! By all indications Alpha Khan is sure to clinch the APC flagbearership come the convention later this year. It has now dawned on all within the APC that the only person who will replicate EBK is the Apprentice irrespective of his scandals. The same is being echoed by non-APCers who think Salone needs a leader of the ilk of EBK for unity and that the only person who comes close is Alpha Khan. With his northern, Temne, Muslim, engineering backgrounds spiced with his strategic and tactical choice of a Mende wife and fluency in both local and foreign languages, Alhpa Khan is surely the man to beat in the APC convention as well as the 2018 presidential election.

The only problem the APC is now facing is that of the running mate. It could have been Vic Foh but he intends to go with his boss Di Pa after which he will quit active politics. According to some sources the search is on for a suitable southeastern female preferably from the Mende tribe to pair with the Apprentice. Some people from the influential class are hinting about a deal in which Maada Bio will be offered the APC running mate a move which will be touted as Salone's biggest and unprecedented political gamble.
100% Themne
Reply with quote  #2 
Musa Kenema,

Keep dreaming.  The APC will never be led by a full-blooded Themne.  It just will not happen.  Themnes cannot lead.  They are followers - blaklaneh.
100% Mende moi
Reply with quote  #3 
Dakay relax and enjoy the drama that is about to unfold. Now is the time for the Temnes and nothing will stop that. APC is not a Limba man party, it is Salone's only inclusive party where Temnes, Mendes, Lokkos all have sitatistically significant stakes. If Shaki, a Mende, Momoh Big Waise, a Limba and EBK, a Limba have had their days why not a Temne too? If EBK tries to force any candidate down the Temnes' throat, then he will know that no Temnes, no APC. Infact the Temnes are going to cut the Limbas down to size if they try any monkey business. Don't forget the Temnes are the most influential in the northwest-whether socially, culturally, politically you name it. Do you wonder why we have the following combos among the Temnes? Temne-Fula, Temne-Lokko, Temne-Mende, Temne-Madingo, Temne-Susu, Temne-Koranko, Temne-Limba, Temne-Sherbro, Temne-Yalunka, Temne-Krio, Temne-Fourah bay and the list goes on.And the inverse is also true-Limba-Temne etc. So my friend wake up!
Mende Pekin
Reply with quote  #4 
Some of our Mende folks are not politically sophisticated. I guess their love affair with Mendeism has corrupted their thinking process. The most progressive district today since Ernest Koroma became president is Makeni, a district populated with more Temnes than all other tribes combined. And for the first time in the history of Sierra Leone, more Mendes are moving to Makeni in search of opportunities. So if the Temnes cannot lead, they sure have proven to be more politically sophisticated than the Mendes.
Commander
Reply with quote  #5 
"The most progressive district today since Ernest Koroma became president is Makeni, a district populated with more Temnes than all other tribes combined." 



This miscreant is one of the functioning Themne APC buffoons on this forum.  When did Makeni become a district?
Alaki Commander
Reply with quote  #6 
"This miscreant is one of the functioning Themne APC buffoons on this forum.  When did Makeni become a district?"

So this is the only information that is of interest to you, right? The rest is too nerve wrecking for you, right? 
Spectator 007
Reply with quote  #7 
@MK: With so much ethnic intermarriage in the north, are you sure AK is 100% Temne/Themne? Has AK claimed he is?

Remember late SI Koroma? Many thought he was 100% Temne/Themne until Pa Shaki got him to reveal that his father was Mandingo.



Musa Kenema
Reply with quote  #8 
Specky unlike the Kamaras,Banguras! Turays,Sesays,Contehs and Fofanahs, ninety seven percent of Port Loko Kanus are Temnes.. The remaining three percent have some light Koranko permeations.
Sir Manga
Reply with quote  #9 
Musa Kenema, you are such a nasty and primitive tribalist. No wonder the Limbas use you like tools. Alhaji Abuja, a notorious thief will be a great choice for APC however.  
Manga Kakarass
Reply with quote  #10 
If tainted Bio can be your flagbearer why not Alpha Khan for the APC? What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.Bi blor hoon! Laympay! Tina morph!
Ishmael Yillah
Reply with quote  #11 
Late SI Koroma claimed to be madinka because he was addressing a madinka congregation at the time in Koinadugu . It's all politics. To start with, Port loko district has no malinke settlers, with the exception of Foredugu, Buya Romende Chiefdom. Alpha Kanu, though he is crook, but he is full blown themne and I believe that APC is going to nominate him. Either way Salone is doomed.
Spectator 007
Reply with quote  #12 
@IY: You may be right but many online sources state SI's father was Mandingo.
Here is a sample:

http://universityofmakeni.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/SOAS-The-evolution-of-the-modern-rn-Statesof-Sierra-Leone-basic-document.docx
http://www.thepatrioticvanguard.com/sorie-ibrahim-koroma-business-man-trade

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Mandingo%20people%20of%20Sierra%20Leone

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorie_Ibrahim_Koroma

From my little research, it seems that his father was a Mandingo man who died when SI was a toddler. His mother then married a Temne/Themne man and he was raised as Temne/Temne but never forgot his Mandingo roots.

Today, many Temne/Themne don't care what his actual ethnicity was. What matters to them, is that they believe he looked out for their best interests.
Abu Al Amriki
Reply with quote  #13 
SI Koroma was allegedly a Mandingo who adopted "Temnehood" for political expediency ...The late VP attended Koyeima Secondary School as "SORIE IBRAHIM"  and that is where his friends ascribed him the pen name "SI"to complement his defensive soccer skills...

According to my research,"Sorie Ibrahim" began calling himself  "Sorie Ibrahim Koroma" when he got to  form 3 at Koyeima just before he transferred to Bo Government School.

some of his classmates include Victor King,..Lawrence Harding,..Formeh Kamara ...Renner Mondeh and others)......and the principal was Pa Macauley(Shirley Gbujama's father)

I know that Minister Formeh Kamara and Ambassador Mondeh are dead..I assume Principal Macauley is also dead..I have no clue about the status of Pa Vicktor King but Pa King  was President Momoh's tennis partner for many years and his son Vicktor King jr was executed by Pa Kabba's SLPP for AFRC'treason')

 I researched and found one of SI Koroma's classmates alive somewhere in Western Freetown to verify That SI Koroma was indeed Sorie Ibrahim at Koyeima before he became known as Sorie Ibrahim Koroma at Bo School.

According to my source ,..in those days, Koyeima School offered classes only up to form 3 level..
After form 3 certification most students landed government jobs and others went on to continue at places like Bo School which offered higher education past form 3. 


That said, if SI Koroma successfully exploited Themnes for personal political gains ..who says the 'Kholifa Themnes' cannot now brandish and wave the SI Koroma Flag for their own gain?????.

But dem all go FAIL!... because The Mandingos already had a President Kabba, The Temnes have Ade Sell Salone to Chinese/ AdeBuyAll Koroma...Therefore the Easterners or the Westerners should have the President of the future..

So,I DONALD TRUMP say "after 56 years of experimenting with failed leadership from the North and South of Sierra Leone,.. it is time to look elsewhere ..at the East and West of the country for "CHANGE PRESIDENT""

Stop perpetuating this North/South Fraud!!!!!

In simple terms the Northerners and Southerners have dominated politics and destroyed Sa Lone since Independence wit dem APC en SLPP... 56 years pan Nasty!... Tiffy Tiffy gates...en Killings....EE do So!!!



Ishmael Yillah
Reply with quote  #14 
@ Speck

He is possibly a mandinka because the entire norther regionn is a melting point, but Maforki and Bakeh chiefdoms where SI was born and raised was first inhabited by the Susu people (Ibrahima Konkori and his descendants). The Banta themne from present-day Buya in the Buya Romende, Marampa, Safroko Chiefdoms and Malay-kuray (Kuray is susu for stream) later settled in Bekeh. The only known madinka settlement in the port loko district is the town of Foredugu in the Buya Romende Chiefdom (border with Bombali) and my maternal grandfather is a descendant of those madinka settlers.  (Dugu is a madinka word for village). The following tribes comprise of port loko dist: A pocket of Tonko limba in the Sanda Magbolontho, the susu in the Loko Masama and Kaffu Bullom, the fula in the Gbinti-Dibia and Tambaka chiedoms and the themne are the majority in all of the chiefdoms in the district.
Falama
Reply with quote  #15 
"From my little research, it seems that his father was a Mandingo man who died when SI was a toddler. His mother then married a Temne/Themne man and he was raised as Temne/Temne but never forgot his Mandingo roots."   Spectator 007


Specky,

Your research may be well founded.  But if SI was raised a Temne from the time he was a toddler, then that is what he was. He would grow up with Temne values and not with Mandingo values.   I don't think the late man was in any way disguising his true ethnicity.

  Similarly, Siaka Stevens  reiterated at every given opportunity that he was Limba yet you had folks that identified him as a Mende man.  What did SI and Shaki have to gain by disguising their ethnities?

  If Siaka Stevens was in fact a true Mende man, wouldn't that had diluted the fierce opposition that he experienced from the South east?  Sierra Leoneans should desist from this chronic habit of identifying folks for their own convenience.  

KL
Reply with quote  #16 
The politics of tribe and tribalism is once again showing its ugly head. 
Look @ who dae tok
Reply with quote  #17 
Look at KL the tribalist talking. The notorious Forum Tribalist. This a-hole nor go blow for pretend? Andhe is still being fed by a hardworking Mende woman. What a shameless bwoy this fella!
Spectator 007
Reply with quote  #18 
If Siaka Stevens was in fact a true Mende man, wouldn't that had diluted the fierce opposition that he experienced from the South east? Sierra Leoneans should desist from this chronic habit of identifying folks for their own convenience. - Falama

Falama, when Stevens was trying to set up the one party state, he reached out to key Mende politicians, and reminded them that his mother was a Mende woman, and he embraced their culture. Tin bin don cam pan cam!

He clearly won some over, and that is one of the reasons the SLPP leaders were able to prevail on their MPs to cross over. Do you think if SI had been the Oresident he would have been able to get that party to cross over?

Politicians often mask their true ethnic identity for strategic, opportunistic reasons. They know that voters consider ethnicity as a prime reason to vote for a candidate. Their opponents define themselves in ethnic characteristics that suit them, so they reason they'd be crazy not to play the same game. Also a lot of people are multi ethnic, so it is easy for them to pick an ethnicity whose language they speak, and culture they embrace, and voters prefer.
KL
Reply with quote  #19 
Falama, the problem is that some Mendes are in a serious political competetition with the Temnes. The last thing they want to hear is that a Temne is president. This is like snatching the manhood out of them. For them, blood is thicker than the environment a man is raised.
Ishmael Yill
Reply with quote  #20 
"Falama, the problem is that some Mendes are in a serious political competetition with the Temnes. The last thing they want to hear is that a Temne is president. This is like snatching the manhood out of them. For them, blood is thicker than the environment a man is raised."..KL

Most Mendes (men mostly) do not want to see a themne president. When EBK said that he was themne, Mendes refused to accept and instead associated him to the Loko tribe.
Spectator 007
Reply with quote  #21 
@IY: This wiki piece below states late Pa Sylvanus had both Themne and Loki heritage. I was told Pa Sylvanus' father was Themne and mother Loko...and since traditionally we go by the father's ethnic group, he was Themne.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvanus_Koroma

In a nation where ethnicity is a paramount consideration for voters, multi-ethnic candidates tend to have broader appeal over candidates who claim they are from one ethnic group. Late Karefa-Smart was Themne, Loko, Sherbro, Fula, and Mandingo. Even Koranko claimed him because of the name Karefa. Shaki and Tejan Kabba were multi-ethnic and multi lingual.

I think if the SLPP candidate was Themne and the party did not fragment, the Mendes would vote for him/her. Likewise, if the APC candidate was Mende and APC did not fragment, Themne and other northerners would vote for him. This is what happened in Nigeria, a country where tribal identity is very important during elections.
Falama
Reply with quote  #22 
Specky,

If Siaka Stevens' mother was Mende, that did not make him Mende.  Ethnicity in Sierra Leone is derived on patrilineal lines.  Shaki's father was Limba.  That made him Limba.  And contrary to what many think, the man was a poor mende speaker.  I know this for sure because I campaigned for him back in the days.  

It is an absurd APC  propaganda against Mendes and the SLPP to be pushing Mende ethnicity on the worst politician in Salone history.  But Shaki himself never disowned his Limba ethnicity.  The man was proud of his Limba roots notwithstanding the Pujehun connection that his mother had.

@ KL and Ishmael, your views can equally be extended to Themnes.  They don't want to see a Mende president.  In fact they don't even want to see a successful Mende politician.  I know this because I am a hybrid of both cultures (Mende and Themne).  My mother was Mende and my father, Themne.
Abu Al Amriki
Reply with quote  #23 
Your research may be well founded.  But if SI was raised a Temne from the time he was a toddler, then that is what he was. He would grow up with Temne values and not with Mandingo values.   I don't think the late man was in any way disguising his true ethnicity.@Falama..

I don't think so either!..so,when SI Koroma had proudly held up the hand of Jamil Sahid Mohamed to praise him for financially supporting Marforki self -help projects ..and  publicly stating that they were both "PROUD to be children of Mandingoes"..he may have been trying to "explain the unexplainable"..which is Sorie Ibrahim aka Koroma = a mandingo man.

on another note what is Kamaraimba?? ..Is he Temne or another Mandingo/Temne cloned local politician???







Spectator 007
Reply with quote  #24 
@Falama: Shaki never claimed to be Mende. He said his mother was Mende and father Limba.The man was born in Moyamba and attended primary school there.

If they had an approval rating poll (among representative sample of Salone folks) of current and past Salone leaders, where do you think Stevens would end up?
Falama
Reply with quote  #25 
Specky,

I am aware of the fact that Shaki never claimed to be Mende.  But APC surrogates in particular, are in the habit of identying the man as Mende.  

As far as your question is concerned,  Shaki easily comes out as the worst Salone head of state ever and one of the worst to emerge and rule in Africa.
Gbaytaywoma Django
Reply with quote  #26 
I have never seen a forum as educative as bintumani. Some of the beneficial things I have learned from my interactions in this forum are:

i) Shaki was Mende
ii) SI Koroma was Madingo
iii) Maada Bio is Kissi from Liberia
iv) EBK is Limba
v) Victor Vouchergate Foh can be the APC flagbearer
vi) Alpha Alhaji Abuja Khan should never be a flagbearer for the APC

One of the commonalities between i, ii, iii and iv is the power of deceit and political manipulation.

Shaki used the Limbas who were one of the most underprivileged and naive groups during the late sixties. Shaki's artificial transformation from a southerner to a northerner was facilitated by the unsuspecting and dull Limbas. Shaki's Mende connection was detected by the Temnes who noticed that all lucrative projects were heading for either Bo or Kenema or anywhere in the southeast.

SI Koroma was a Temne since the incipient stages of the APC and he was very instrumental in tainting the Temnes with his political innovation of those years which translated as thuggery. He used the illiterate Temne hicks as APC youths which was the euphemism for thugs. All political violence was perpetrated by the APC youths in most elections during SI's time. After succeeding in making the word Temne synonymous with violence, he made a U-turn and professed belonging to the Madingo tribe. Now that everyone knows he was Madingo, the Temnes will be vindicated for all SI-related atrocities way back.

Maada Bio a Kissi ,with strong roots in Liberia, rode on the donkey-like backs of  the power-thirsty Mendes to clinch the SLPP flagbearership in 2012 in spite of all his baggage from the past. He understands the Mendes very well: he knows they can do anything for power and hence their support for him in the 2012 elections. He also knows very well that Mendes can easily be intimidated one of the reasons he succeeded in winning enough votes during the flagbearer elections in 2012.He was so ruthless that he twisted the arms and booted the behinds of those Mendes who posed threat to his ambitions and got them to endorse him.

EBK knows the Temnes very well and was a fan of Agba Satani. While nursing his political ambitions prior to the 2007 elections, he adopted SI's strategy by masquerading as a trueblue Temne when he was in fact of Limba-lokko origin. He only showed his true colors after the 2012 election victory. Once again the Temnes have been taken for a long ride and this time by the Limbas. Unlike Bio, EBK is a smooth operator who knows his political survival rests with his alignment with the Temnes and his playing ball with them in appointments is a testimony to that fact.

The Mendes in bintu are really funny guys. Before Foh was appointed VP, they never wanted anything Mende to be associated with him. He was corrupt, a vouchergate culprit, a womaniser etc etc. From the day Foh became VP the bashing and ranting Mende voices changed. Now we can hear voices of opportunism, sycophancy and bootlicking. All of a sudden Foh is the only flagbearer material in the APC. Just fancy that! Now they strongly believe Foh is the Moses that will take them to the promised land at the Fort Thornton Hill. Nobody wants to talk about Bio anymore! Lol.

So Alpha Khan is tainted? But is he as tainted as the likes of Bio and Foh? No! Alpha Khan's scandals are so minor and insignificant that they will cut no ice in any politicking. At least he has never been involved in nation-wrecking activities like vouchergate, squandergate or emptying the vaults at BSL to invest in Ghana or in the Caribbean.

I am sure I will learn more in bintu. Thanks guys!



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Justice Toronka
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"Shaki used the Limbas who were one of the most underprivileged and naive groups during the late sixties. Shaki's artificial transformation from a southerner to a northerner was facilitated by the unsuspecting and dull Limbas. Shaki's Mende connection was detected by the Temnes who noticed that all lucrative projects were heading for either Bo or Kenema or anywhere in the southeast."  G.D.


Another core tribalist and dolt of the first order seeking his fifteen minutes of fame on Bintumani. Hehehe
Tah Song Koh
Reply with quote  #28 
Alpha Khan will floor Bio or KKY or their combo anyday.The most popular politican in SL right now is Alpha Khan.Come 2018 we will have president Kanu or ABK(Alpha Bakarr Kanu). So it will be from EBK to ABK! Way to go APC.
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