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All senior civil servants have been given a two week deadline to produce their certificates and diploma's. I hope they keep these on file and require all new appointees to also submit their documents. This is part of any basic pre employment check.
Having said that, I hope they don't ask for evidence going back to A and O'Levels. I've got my O'level certificate but have no idea where my A'level certificate is.
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It will be silly of any interview panel to ask a candidate with advanced degrees to produce his/her 'O' Level or 'A' Level certificates. In the United States, a guy applying for a job that requires a doctorate will not be asked to produce his Bachelors degree. My 'O' and 'A' level certificates got lost a long time ago. I used them to apply to college but without them I could easily have taken the American Scholastic Aptitude Test which is administered every two weeks. However, I will not be surprised if an interviewer in Salone asked a Master's degree or doctoral degree holder about his/her high school certificates. A friend from Kenya told me that used to be the case in Kenya. We like to do things backwards in Africa
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"In the United States, a guy applying for a job that requires a doctorate will not be asked to produce his Bachelors degree." -
Masoila Same here in the UK. There is an inbuilt assumption that the relevant university would have done the appropriate checks at the time of admission. As you say, in Salone we do like to do things the hard way. Let's hope they are sensible about it.
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I've just seen a social media post of the different grades in the civil service. I have no idea if it is authentic. It described grades 1 to 17 with the first 7 grades (grade 1-7) being non degree entry. So this order, requiring everyone on grades 7 and above to produce their certification, potentially applies to a large number of staff. This could lead to a painful cull.
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There you go again. Civil servants are not political appointees. I suspect that this is an attempt at purging out civil servants and replacing them with Mendes. It is an anti labor activity that will be met with resistance. Sierra Leone is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and we are a member of the ILO. Any attempt to weaken labor would face condemnation and strikes. You wait and see. Why not examine civil servants records in personnel history files and raise objections on a case by case basis. Hope you have records to match qualifications with the provided advertisements. This is witch hunting. This government has no respect for the rule of law and so i believe it will not preserve the integrity of current labour management agreements.
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Cheers! New Direction is obviously trying to root out corruption and re-establish a civil service that was once a meritocracy
At the same time, the understanding is that this big book knowledge doesn't necessarily start from O and A levels; nor are the O and A levels any guarantee of efficiency; nepotism aside, some genuinely humble and efficient office workers may have worked their way up from scratch, maybe from attending Newman Smart's adult education courses, after which meritorious O and A are not awarded, and from there to an appointment as office messenger and from office messenger to office superintend, a sort of local chief whip position...
Now some of you may look down on the lowly office messenger as a “nonentity” but my own experience in another African country was that in the given hierarchy of things, that's where the buck starts to roll: you want to see the Perm Sec you have to start at the bottom of the ladder by bribing the lowly office messenger (the higher the high, the higher the price) sometimes just to get your file moving ( incrementally) until it gets to the desk of the chief clerk – and there too you will have pay for the file to move on to the next level, until finally to the department's oga of ogas and from there if it's your destination - perhaps – if you can afford to pay the price, the governor and sky's the limit maybe el presidente himself , if you can afford it...
here are some job opportunities being advertised
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, Brother AFK
It seems that you are forever prepared to think the very worst of the SLPP even if the SLPP is ostensibly trying to do the right thing.
Your first bold assertion is not wholly correct, that “
Civil servants are not political appointees” Who is a civil servant ? Indeed, if as you already fear, Brer Bio is about to take us back to that period of which you now express some premonitions, namely Sir Akpata Margai's alleged Mende-i-zation of the Civil Service, that would turn around your assertion that “Civil servants are not political appointees”, wouldn't it ? Are you prepared to go as far as to say that the APC has never practised favouritism and ethnic nepotism in its promotion of civil servants?
It is a thorny issue. I suppose that there is a Sierra Leone Civil Service code with guidelines that have to be adhered to. All said and done, your bottom line has to be “so who is gong to supervise the policing?”
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"There you go again. Civil servants are not political appointees. I suspect that this is an attempt at purging out civil servants and replacing them with Mendes." AFK Hehehe. This guy always makes me laugh. I lived and worked in the United States for many years before returning to Salone. I was in the civil service of a large American city when a new mayor issued a directive to our municipal agency for everybody to produce the degrees and certificates that they applied with for the positions that they were in. Some folks immediately disappeared. There has long been suspicions that the APC was flooding Salone's civil service with candidates that were not qualified for the jobs that they were hired for. They should be rooted out. Your hate of Mendes will not take you anywhere. Mendes are high achievers. They do not need president Bio's help to succeed anywhere. They survived and did quite well under the anti-Mende APC administration of Ernest Koroma. Bra, take your bookish labor laws somewhere else. Many people are with president Bio on this initiative.
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At a minimum keep records of A-Levels, undergraduate degree syllabus and diploma.
I have been a licensed CA professional engineer for several decades. About 10 years ago, i wanted to acquire licenses in other states. No exam necessary but just paperwork. It took me several months going the process. I needed to provide syllabi from the different schools I attended for undergrad. Guess what? The schools did not have this information. Imagine that! A lie-ji-la moment for me.
I had to recreate syllabi and have the schools talk to their older emeritus profs to verify it. It was a very long process as stated in the foregoing. Getting A- level verification turned out to be a much easier task. WAEC had the records. I was surprised that a third world organization would have these records but top 20 UK universities would not.
For many jobs and professional licenses, your undergraduate degree is far more important than a graduate degree. It provides evidence that you have gained broad knowledge in a field. Graduate degrees are specialized. An individual with a BS degree in Physics can obtain a PhD in several engineering disciplines such as mechanical or civil engineering. No board in the US will accept that experience as satisfying the minimum 4 year undergraduate academic experience required from an accredited institution. At best such an individual will be given 2 years.
Please keep records of O and A levels, school testimonials, syllabi, and so on.
Sq. Pegs In Round Holes
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Good one WAEC!
I don't think we should assume there is some nefarious plot behind this other than to root out civil servants who may have got to where they are based on who they know rather than what they know.
Having said that, one of the primary reasons I believe SLPP supporters stuck with Bio over other candidates was the promise that he would right what they saw as the ethnic bias that they say had crept into most public appointments.
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Civil service jobs are subject to civil service rules and regulations. They are governed by certain labor agreements and are protected by civil service laws. Political appointments, on the other handhand, are appointments governed by different set of rules and they are appointments invariably emanating from state house. Those appointments are not covered by civil service laws or protected by labor union agreements. In fact, often they have separate pension plans. Most if not all political appointments are replaced with new appointees when a new government comes to power. Not so for civil servants.
My advise to the SLPP is for them to stay clear from the civil service. If they seek making it efficient, there are legitimate and proven ways they can do so. Education and or experience are often the criteria for movement through the ladders in the civil service and so this fixation on academic qualification to me is suspect.
My concern is that having demonstrated lack of respect for the rule of law, this SLPP government will, with the sense of inpunity, dismiss civil servants without due process. But such an irrational act will be met with resistance from labor.
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I have my O and A Level results, several years after they were issued by WAEC. I am talking about There is a very strong possibility that ORIGINAL copies. Whatever the case, I will continue to keep them. They remind me of my youthful days, sweet Bo Town, and much more. I will never use those results again. Brother AFK, ar tire sef. Mendes are not seeking favoritism from Maada Bio. Mendes want a fairer system, in which qualifications and expertise are used as guiding principles. In a professionally driven system, Mendes can thrive without favoritism. Kailahun Star
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AFK, I cannot understand your objection with this new governments request of the civil servants! It's extremely important that we ensure those that are suppose to be the voice of the voiceless are accredited so they can work hard for our nation
For me it is quite obvious that you know the ones that are the higher achievers in this country especially towards education are the Mendes! If all the top performers are Mendes and all the positions goes towards them than let it be because at the end of the day it's better for our country to have the best of the best so we can move forward!!
Last time I checked Mendes are Sierra Leoneans as well so enough of making it seem like we are foreigners and shouldn't be given positions!
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Bra E, while having copies of original copies of certificates and diplomas is an excellent idea, some organizations/institutions require verification from the examining boards and or institutions that issued them. This happened to me at FBC. They insisted that the universities verify that I had graduated. I understood later that some folks didn’t go through that (I wonder why) and it was later discovered that they didn’t have the degrees they claimed they had. So if civil service employees produce fake diplomas, are they going to verify that they are authentic...from accredited schools? Will they check all or a sample? Suppose the institutions no longer have records?
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Putting tribal discussions to one side for a moment, does anyone know how civil service jobs are advertised and how promotion is obtained? Are there civil service entrance exams for instance?
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You are right, Agba Specky. However, WAEC still exists. Fortunately, I will probably never use my WAEC results again. who needs WAEC-related documents? With Georgia State and Emory University degrees under my belt, Bra Enviable
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@Specky, authentication of these is going to be a huge undertaking. I am assuming a subsection of those who present will be asked to produce the originals. These days original certificates are embossed in a Amway the is hard to fake.
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Sorry about the typos...
Specky, authentication of these is going to be a huge undertaking. I am assuming a subsection of those who present will be asked to produce the originals. These days original certificates are embossed in a way that is hard to fake.
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Certificates can be faked. If passports can be faked easily imagine how easy it is to fake certificates. The question is whether the civil service has the time and manpower to check whether what they've been given is real or fake. Who is going to check these CVs to make sure the experiences listed are real? Who will check with the universities? That is quite a process. This government is looking like it doesn't know what to do. They are swinging from one big project to another with little chance of winning any of their chosen battles. They are like deer in headlights - so much that is wrong with the current systems that they are unsure where to start. What has happened about the civil service cars? How many have been recovered? The rush to be seen to make a big difference very quickly is making Bio's team crazy. I would have advised them to focus on one thing. For example, focus on sanitation and water and make a cross-ministry team that tackles that. Especially as they've started the cleaning. Without focus this government will make no strides.
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"Certificates can be faked. If passports can be faked easily imagine how easy it is to fake certificates. The question is whether the civil service has the time and manpower to check whether what they've been given is real or fake. Who is going to check these CVs to make sure the experiences listed are real? Who will check with the universities? That is quite a process. " Salone Baby I have read all the contributions in this thread and cannot help but laugh. We now have a forumite asking who will check a job applicant's certificates. And she also asks whether the Sierra Leone civil service has the time to do that. These questions are tantamount to asking a police department if it has personnel to check for criminal activity or if the police even have time to do that. Questions like these belie the reasons why Sierra Leone and other African countries are forever stuck in the trap of poverty and underdevelopment. If a country's service service cannot strive to be efficient and effective, then there is really no reason for the civil service to exist. We currently have department heads that can barely read and write. How did they attain those positions? Through political patronage and cronyism. For those who may not know, under the Tejan Kabbah presidency, lecturers and professors at Fourah Bay College were told to produce their degrees. Those that had lied about their qualifications suddenly disappeared. Salone's civil service has been the dump yard for dumping mediocre APC sycophants. During Ernest Koroma's Northernization era, it was common to have non-Northern college graduates been replaced by Northern high school dropouts. It follows that the worst mistake that president Bio can make is to accept the current rotten status quo and proceed with business as usual. If he cannot differentiate himself from his predecessor, then why did he run on the mantra of change? Ernest Koroma and the APC destroyed all the institutions in Sierra Leone. Students at Fourah Bay College can barely write. At a beauty pageant held in Freetown two years ago, a contestant who was a student at Fourah Bay College found it difficult to express herself in English. And two weeks ago, our under 21 men's soccer team lost to Liberia by a score of 5-1. Why? We have not been playing soccer for the last five years. The kids that represented us were taken from the streets of the big cities with no intensive training. Today, we have two ministers of Education, one for primary and secondary schools and the other for technical colleges and universities. Great. I hope our universities and our other institutions can again be competitive internationally. People who are afraid of change are cowards. Salone cannot continue in its current state. The Sierra Leone that president Bio inherited from that useless man called Ernest Bai Koroma is rotten to the core. I did not vote for president Bio as I am NGC. But I can say that if he continues at this rate of work, I wonder if there would be any justification for voting for NGC. As far as APC is considered, the less I talk about it the better. I live in Freetown and can say that after the cleanup exercise, Freetown is smelling great.
Duke of Kent
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Does anyone have any clue as to how much it would cost the governmnet to embark on an excercise of verifying the qualifications of all Civil servants? And we are talking about enlisting prudent measures to curb waste and only to engage in another foolish agenda to create more waste? This has all the hallmarks of political witch hunt that may not 'born good pekin oh'. Bio is treading on thorns and those advising him may not be around when he faces the rostrum of military judgement or should i say Court Martial ??
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Duke of Kent Does anyone have any clue as to how much it would cost the governmnet to embark on an excercise of verifying the qualifications of all Civil servants? And we are talking about enlisting prudent measures to curb waste and only to engage in another foolish agenda to create more waste? This has all the hallmarks of political witch hunt that may not 'born good pekin oh'. Bio is treading on thorns and those advising him may not be around when he faces the rostrum of military judgement or should i say Court Martial ??
Says the clown, whose useless Tolongbo government spent more that 5 million dollars on a new constitution, only to abandon it at the last minute. They were completely against the findinhgs, so they decided to waste more than 5 million dollars on a fruitless exercise.
The release made it quite clear about the targeted grade levels of the civil service. This is mostly targeted at the senior cadres of the service. If you are going to court martial someone for doing the right thing, then you are even more foolish than I thought.
The Guilty are Afraid
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Rooting out mediocre and crooked civil servants that got their jobs through corruption and deceit will in the long run save Salone a lot of money. During the era of Northernization, non-northerners were bumped off their civil service positions for unqualified northerners. The Salone civil service has become rotten to the extent that there are departmental heads that can barely read or write. This is disgraceful. Let the bums be thrown out.
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In Tanzania they fired almost 10,000 because of fake degrees.
Let’s say someone has a legitimate first degree from USL, rises to a senior position. Is competent, and out of inferiority complex stupidly pays $200 to a diploma mill for some yeyeh buff lie lie PHD. Should such an individual be fired?
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Such an individual should be fired. What else is he lying about?
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@Amadu APC, then if the government does that, many will be let go. Ar yerri say dem boku geh fake postgraduate degree.
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Let the government fire them. There are many qualified jobless candidates waiting.