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The saddest thing in Sierra Leone is the fact that we have to deal with people who are nation destroyers without a viable alternative in sight.
Both parties have one strong, common motive. To destroy the country and enrich themselves and families.
In a civilised world, when a sitting government is doing the wrong thing, you have opposition to proffer alternatives and keep the government on its toes.
However, in Sierra Leone we have the SLPP as an opposition who cannot be relied upon.
The following are 3 good reasons we cannot trust them.
1 it is often said that: acknowledgement of a problem is first important step to solving it. In other words, when you accept there's a problem with what you are doing, you'll be in better position to address it. But the SLPP's constant denial of the corruption that pervaded the country during the tenure is a real concern. If these people shamelessly continue to deny wrongdoing, even when country faced with deplorable hardship, degradable heath system and a despicable infrastructure, it is obvious the worst will come if you entrust them again with power.
2 Deed rooted Intolerance: in the SLPP , you cannot be critical of the inner workings of the party even if they're contrary to the widely accepted norms in society. And if you're a member of the party, you must never have an opinion, acknowledging any good deeds of the APC. You'll be crucified or physically attacked to send a clear message that there's no place in the SLPP for descent. For instance, the Tom Nyoma saga. He praised the APC and he was branded a traitor and he was subsequently killed through spiritual means. Secondly, the leader of the women's wing of the party was recently attacked and molested for daring to praise an aspirant for their rival party JFK.
3 The SLPP is tribalistic and are very keen to divide the tiny country into two. There's one misguided notion that the southeast, which is their stronghold is home to the country's wealth, therefore, they must be in control of their wealth alone.
So with all these attributes possessed by this party, will any sober minded Sierra Leoneans entrust it with power?
Give your opinion.
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Eddie , the three reasons you have outlined for not trusting SLPP can be easily ascribed to APC. SLPP was rejected by the electorate in 2007 and 2012 and accepted the results without resorting to violence. Yes ,in 2007,the nation may have faced hardship , health systems may have been deplorable and corruption existed. The situation was excercabated by rebel war which ended under SLPP tenure. APC has been in power since then and what has the nation endured? Sierra Leone has been turned to a beggar nation with her hands perpetually stretched out for donations from foreigners to deal with the latest catastrophe whilst the government officials are building million dollar mansions. Is this what you want for Sierra Leone ? another five year of monumental disasters.
Intolerance-Dissent, Eddie, Are you joking? APC more receptive to dissent than SLPP. Ask the family members of those who lost loved ones during APC. Tribalism. SLPP is no more tribalistic than APC. APC draws it supporters mainly from the Limba-Temne and Loko tribe. SLPP draws its supporters from the Mende and smaller tribes from the South. In a democracy where people are free to vote without fear of intimidation. They vote for someone, they have something in common with, be it religion, race ,tribe, education or economic. Sierra Leone candidates need to work on consensus politics. Eddie, you better form your own party. You leave no hope for Sierra Leone
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Eddie Grant, What you call three good reasons for not trusting the SLPP, I call three poor reasons for not trusting the SLPP. Your arguments are as laughable as they are without merit. I will pick them apart and thoroughly destroy them to your own dismay. If these people shamelessly continue to deny wrongdoing, even when country faced with deplorable hardship, degradable heath system and a despicable infrastructure, it is obvious the worst will come if you entrust them again with power. Eddie Grant:
Eddie, nobody has ever said that the SLPP was a perfect party. But given the political circumstances in Sierra Leone, the APC cannot be compared to the SLPP when it comes to governance. Whereas the SLPP has a democratic reputation, the APC is thuggish and authoritarian. It’s intolerance of democratic norms and political decency is legendary hence Sierra Leone will never grow under the APC. Deed rooted Intolerance: in the SLPP , you cannot be critical of the inner workings of the party even if they're contrary to the widely accepted norms in society. And if you're a member of the party, you must never have an opinion, acknowledging any good deeds of the APC. You'll be crucified or physically attacked to send a clear message that there's no place in the SLPP for descent. Eddie Grant: Eddie, the SLPP’s reputation for tolerance is unmatched in the history of political parties in Sierra Leone. The current chairman of the party and many other party executives do not hail from the party’s Southeastern base. Whereas the SLPP has elected a Northerner as flagbearer in the past, the APC is stuck with corrupt folks from its Temne-Limba axis. Now, tell me which of these two parties is intolerant? Eddie Grant: The SLPP is tribalistic and are very keen to divide the tiny country into two. There's one misguided notion that the southeast, which is their stronghold is home to the country's wealth, therefore, they must be in control of their wealth alone. There you again Eddie. When has a Mende man, Krioman or Sherbroman ever been given a chance to lead the APC? C’mon Eddie. Is this really rocket science? Look at the composition of the present government and tell me how many Mende men, Creoles or Sherbros we have. Look at how the APC chooses where to develop in Salone. Lastly, is it not a fact that the Southeast is Salone’s bread basket? Is Salone not the tenth largest producer of diamonds in the world? Where are diamonds found in Salone? Bombali? And is Salone not in the top five of the world’s largest producer of rutile? Where is rutile found in Salone? Port Loko? And in what region of Salone is rice farming, coffee and cocoa farming predominantly done? Tonkolili?
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Deal with the problems in your own party and leave the APC. I'm not making a comparison between the two parties. Rather, I outlined salient points about your party. Don't try to perempt a comparison, wait for the APC's turn.
To be honest, Kamara sometimes you come across as a flip floper. One moment you admit SLPP is corrupt only to blame it on APC as if they're caressing you to be corrupt. However, you are a different breed of the SLPP family who can never their party is doing any wrong. Could having a northern blood be responsible for your intermittent conscience?
Because it's only people of northern decent have the courage to admit their party is wrong where necessary.
If this is so, I urge you to leave the SLPP and join a northern party.
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Are you scared of Karim Thorlu? This guy knows how to hit you hard.
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When has a Mende man, Krioman or Sherbroman ever been given a chance to lead the APC?"Karim Thorlu, how do you do that?
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There is no viable third option in Sierra Leone. Were are left with two parties SLPP and APC . With the horrendous performance of the current APC, most serious Sierra Leoneans would not want to see them near the levers of power for a long time. I am not worried about APC. I know in the end Sierra Leoneans will come to their senses and boot them out despite all ill gotten funds that will be spent to sway them to APC. Eddie , I live by principles. Sierra Leone first. I will criticize when there are wrongs and injustices regardless of the party. Nobody has said SLPP is perfect. If there was no dissent in SLPP , Charles Margai would have been the flag bearer and may be President. My late father was SLPP, his Northern brothers urged him to join APC as they felt that was where he belonged . He refused and stayed with the SLPP. You do not run away, you stay and fight for changes within your party
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Through Education and tolerance which they say APC has.
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This Karim Thorlu guy is a hard hitter. Little wonder Eddie Grant loves to run away from him.
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I can never run away from anyone especially Karim Thorlu. The manufacturer of monikers and someone who perfected the art of deceit and dishonesty.
When I read his first paragraph, I was very keen to see how he can demolish (as he claimed) my well thought out piece. I'm however not surprised to see that, his inclination for evading the truth got the better of him. He obviously ended up justifying my points.
He failed to convince me or the readers that the reasons I gave weren't valid at all. Instead, he buttressed my points by comparing his party to the APC. He could not see that I wasn't making any comparison of the two parties at all. Rather, I singled out his party and made it clear that they cannot be trusted.
Any sane individual, with reasonable IQ and some degree of honesty, will avoid blaming its rival party and wholly defends his.
But what do you expect from someone of Karim Thorlu's ilk? When denial and propaganda is his daily life.
I must make this known to him that the composition of the cabinet of any government alone is not a determiner of either the party is tribalistic or tolerant. Instead, it can be regarded as being "nepotic" since appointments comes from cronies of the party. Or inclusive if they choose to appoint other from the stronghold of their rivals.
It's not as if this current government does not have South easterners in its cabinet, perhaps it's not well pronounced because most of them occupies deputy positions.
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Let me start by saying that in a forum where anonymity is encouraged, there can be no abuse of monikers. Forumites here have a right to post with any number of monikers that they like. Second, you complain about me making comparisons when you are not. Sure enough. But have you ever heard the phrase "Everything is relative"? It simply means that the way you perceive the world is an individual experience and that for us to understand your perception or your individual experience, we have to make comparisons to other things. It follows that your perception of the SLPP can only make sense to us when we compare the SLPP to the APC or other political parties in Sierra Leone. In this regard, I surmise that your APC is useless when compared to the SLPP. The APC is barbaric, authoritarian, nepotistic, tribalistic, ethnocentric and regionalistic. You are hearing this from a guy whose father is from the north. I challenge the APC to elect a Southeastern or Creole flag bearer. Remember, the SLPP has in the past rallied behind a northern flag bearer. Can the primitive APC ever be open-minded?
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"2 Deed rooted Intolerance: in the SLPP , you cannot be critical of the inner workings of the party even if they're contrary to the widely accepted norms in society. And if you're a member of the party, you must never have an opinion, acknowledging any good deeds of the APC. You'll be crucified or physically attacked to send a clear message that there's no place in the SLPP for descent. For instance, the Tom Nyuma saga. He praised the APC and he was branded a traitor and he was subsequently killed through spiritual means. Secondly, the leader of the women's wing of the party was recently attacked and molested for daring to praise an aspirant for their rival party JFK."-Eddie Grant
In plural politics, I do not expect you to say complimentary things about your opponent. It is therefore evident in your post here that you want to deflect the abysmal working of the current APC by saying things against the SLPP that are not true, Tom Nyuma came back to Sierra Leone broke and unsure of what he was going to do. The SLPP registered him and made him District Chairman. It was not a very lucrative job but it allowed him to find his footing and not face the same fate that befell his former boss Rtd Captain Strasser who returned to the same country in similar fashion-No money, no trade, no education. As soon as the APC saw that he was becoming a somebody to be reckoning, they send John Sisay to befriend him. John Sisay first bought him a new SUV worth thousand of dollars, finished his house in Freetown for him. It came to a time that the late Tom was more or less missing at his place of duty and was always in the company of John Sisay who was going around trying to ferment his long term desire to one day lead Sierra Leone through the APC. But with the APC, your commitment to them requires to be critical of your party or association, It did not start with Tom and it will not end with him-ask John Leigh, ask Wusu Boie Kamara, ask Dr. Kabia of the PMDC, ask Steven Ngawujah of the PMDC, ask Mohamed Bangura of the UDM (a party he helped formed) etc etc. All of these people named here were coursed or bribed into publicly opposing their party in order to qualify to join the APC. So it came to a time when Tom was cautioned he decided to resign his post which was shortly followed. Tom was never suspended or dis-fellowship from the SLPP, he did it on his own accord because he saw that the APC was in a better position to satisfy in financial needs. With regards to former Mrs Kabba, It is not a hidden secret that she has never been a supporter of the SLPP but for her former boy friend who later became her husband she was recognized and given a prominent position in a party she did not love. But what can you expect from someone who ended up marrying the husband of her so called mummy (Mrs Kabba). If you are a leader in a political party and you are on a record of saying you will throw your support for a candidate in your rival party, it will be awkward if your party keeps you. The SLPP as a party did not suspend her partly because of her late husband. But it is right for individual party members to react. Was violence the best solution. No but where there is not Justice, there is no Peace. Now let us consider your party the APC. I will just cite two examples. That is the case of VP Samsumana and the late Madam Kiandeh Bangura. Samsumana was found wanton for corruption. The APC government and its operatives (I am sure including you) defended him that he was not guilty simply because you wanted him to deliver the Kono votes which he did. However when he opposed President Koroma behind curtains and the information reached the president (mind you he did not oppose the President or the APC in public), he was kicked out of the party and his elected position. Had he not run to the American Embassy he was targeted for Assassination. When Madam Kaindeh Bangura saw the injustices, and she vented her opposition she was dismissed from the APC and her dismissal aired over the national radio even though she had no executive post in the government. Few months later she died of her frustration. Now be kind to yourself and your God if you are a God fearing man Eddie, from these two examples, which of the party (SLPP or APC) is intolerant in Sierra Leone?
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Debating this dunderhead that goes by the moniker, Eddie Grant, is a waste of time. He can cry heavens for the APC but he knows he is a nonentity in that party. He knows that that useless party does not give a voice to the weak and poor. Eddie and the vast majority of folks that identify themselves with that worthless and inutile party can be brutalized at any time for speaking up.
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"I challenge the APC to elect a Southeastern or Creole flag bearer. Remember, the SLPP has in the past rallied behind a northern flag bearer. Can the primitive APC ever be open-minded?" (Karim Thorlu)
My God who is that Northern Flagbearer? I can't wait long enough for your answer.
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Ahmad Tejan Kabbah - Kambia district- SLPP flag bearer 1996 and 2002. Where have you been? Under the rock in Bombali?
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Temne boy, Tejan Kabbah's father is from Gbolon , Kambia.
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You know, Beresford, 2017 is sliding down the hump and people like you and Karim Thorlu are living in those pre biblical days. Tejan Kabba was born in Pendembu, Kailahun and YOU, my friend, consider him a Northerner? I probably have been living under the rock in Bombali but my God, my education imcannot be compared to yours. Shame on you!
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And to you too, Kamara, do you also believe Tejan Kabba is a Northerner because his father is from Kambia?
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Indeed, Temne boy your education cannot be compared to Beresford's because while you were playing truancy in school in Sierra Leone, Beresford was always in class learning that ethnicity in Sierra Leone is established along patrilineal lines. In other words, you are what father is/was. Simple civics education in Sierra Leone
Thus, Tejan Kabbah may have been born in Pendembu or Taylu Bongor but since his father was Mandingo from Kambia, that was what Tejan Kabbah was. The late president himself always emphasized that fact. Some of you functioning illiterates on this forum really need to go back to grade school. OMG!!!
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Temne boy . What makes a Northerner? Tejan Kabbah's Father is from Kambia and his mother is from the kailahun district. Can he not claim Northern heritage if he chooses to? Are you going to discount his Northern heritage because his mother is Mende? Unfortunately, you are again reinforcing the idea that others have that Temnes are intolerant.
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Or Kama, there is a monumental difference between claiming something and being something. Lol! There is nothing wrong with the late Pa claiming his Northern heritage. But the fact of the matter is that culturally he is NOT a Northerner! Why are you people having so much hard time accepting this but will like for others to believe that you are tolerant? In the North, the majority tribe, the Temnes, are so tolerant of the smaller tribes that you can hardly tell their heritage. We do not qualify others based on their heritage; we do so based on their characters. This is 2017 Or Kama and the purity claim belongs to our forefathers. We must learn to accept the people that were born and raised amongst us as one of us regardless of their heritage.
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"...the Temnes, are so tolerant of the smaller tribes that you can hardly tell their heritage." Temne boy.
Temne boy, Tell that to someone who has never lived in Sierra Leone. If anything, it is so easy to distinguish between a Temne and a Limba or a Temne and a Loko or a Temne and a Susu that anybody born and raised in Sierra Leone can do that with his/her eyes closed. Temnes are loud, boisterous and bellicose hence the term gbose gbose becomes a very appropriate description of social behavior relative to Temnes. On the contrary, non-Temne northern ethnicities are very cool and calculated folks. They have no problem blending in with non-northern ethnicities. Since you are historically-challenged, I urge you to read that aspect of Sierra Leonean history that is relevant to ethnic relations in Sierra Leone. You will be exposed to the Marampa and Pepel mines crisis where Temnes massacred other Salone ethnicities in a show of intolerance. Bo go sidom nar corner with u Temne tolerance nonsense.
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So is it true thatTejan Kabba is a Southeasterner and that Mendes are too involved in purity? And that the offspring of a Mende woman from a non Mende man will not be considered Mende even when born and raised in Mendeland? Since you know so much about Temnes why don't you tell us about Mendes and purity?
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This is where it becomes very difficult to debate with you. You are very averse to learning. Read Teacher Conteh's posting very carefully. The brilliant teacher establishes how ethnicity is determined in Sierra Leone. It goes along patrilineal lines. So if you are completing a form a Sierra Leone that asks you about your ethnicity, you cannot state Mende/Temne if your father is Mende and your mother Temne. It has to be either or. In this case, you must state MENDE because that is your father's ethnicity. Where you are born and raised is insignificant in this case. Please don't miseducate folks on this forum. This is something that is taught in civics in Salone's elementary school. As far as ethnic social behavior is concerned, Loko Man is on point. Only a fool born and raised in Salone would not be able to tell between a Temne and a Loko or a Mende on the basis of social behavior. Do I really have to ask you about the ethnicity of the APC thug, Foday Government Wharf?
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"This is where it becomes very difficult to debate with you. You are very averse to learning. Read Teacher Conteh's posting very carefully. The brilliant teacher establishes how ethnicity is determined in Sierra Leone. It goes along patrilineal lines." (Barbara)
This is also where it becomes very difficult debating with you fellows. Your parents sent you to school and you are proud of being educated. Social scientists world wide has written books stating facts that humans are social animals. While our DNA matters, the environment we are raised plays a much more important role in our behaviors than our hereditary. So please pass this on to Teacher Conteh...I have very good and established facts to ignore his fakai and archaic crap. It is teachers like him that are contributing to the failure of our youths.
Ar tire sef!
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Temne Boy please stop wasting time with these Mende boys because their denial is set on stone. Our parents sent us to school in order to learn about life yet these guys will deny every scientific fact there is to promote a behavior that belongs to the Cro-Magnon population. And yet they want us to believe they are the most educated people in Sierra Leone. May God help us because with neighbors like them, we do not need the Taliban.
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The more this debate progresses, the more you expose your ignorance and stupidity relative to basic mundane issues. And I am also getting to know who you are since this debate has been conducted on this forum before. What has social science research got to do with a country's domestic laws which are constituted by its legislative body and enforced by its judiciary? If you were living in the United States, based on your infantile and screwed up belief that social science research trumps domestic laws, I would advise you to continue living in the US for years without seeking permanent residency or citizenship. Then, when you are arrested by the Immigration authorities, please tell them that since you have been living in the USA for years, you are now American. Then see what they will do to your Temne Bombali kakarass.. Ignorance and stupidity are indeed euphemisms to describe a person who conflates social research research with sovereign domestic laws.
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Hehehehe! If it is up to you, the Earth will continue to be perceived as flat, slavery will continue, women will continue to be properties of men and when the men are dead, all properties belongs to the man's family. But let me make this clear to you...laws are man-made and the more knowledge we come across, we place the old ones in the museum. Do you see how statues in the Southern US are being dismantled? Well I will leave the rest to you.
Throw the book at me with all negative adjectives but like we say in Creole, "look under u foot en tell who dat ignorant en stupid"
Ar tire sef!
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What has social science research got to do with a country's domestic laws which are constituted by its legislative body and enforced by its judiciary?" As stated by Loko Man. Oh my God!!! Oh, oh, oh, oooooooooooohhhhh!!!!! Seriously, Loko Man! Did you just say that? Ooooooohhhh my Goooood!!! I quit! i am outta here!