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Knice
Reply with quote  #1 
A political party is an organization of people, and that is Sierra Leone's dilemma. By whatever name, a political party in Sierra Leone at best can only have a membership of Mendes, Temnes, Kono, Limbas, Krios, etc., etc., etc. If experience is any guide, in Sierra Leone such a party would sooner than later break apart into these tribal factions. What is amusing to me is that the proponents of PPP and other such parties are completely oblivious that they are in fact proposing the recreation of what the SLPP was at inception. But the SLPP as conceived did not last because of what is now beyond any doubt, the innate tribalism of the so-called Sierra Leone people. So-called because we continue to be Mendes, Temnes, etc. and have not so far evolved into Sierra Leoneans. We cannot always solve all the problems that we face, but we can never solve any problem if we do not squarely face it.

The fundamental problem of Sierra Leone has been, and continues to be tribalism. No progress of any kind and in any sphere of Sierra Leonean life will ensue until this cancer is confronted and brought into check. I find it an interesting coincidence that the fantasy of a PPP type party follows on the heels of the government's equal fantasy proposal to carve up Koinadugu, and then Kenema, and then who knows where else. Thus the Koroma 'administration' bared its bankrupt soul by embracing a bankrupt Afrikaner idea. A political party with merely a new name will not solve Sierra Leone's fundamental problem. Nor will a network of APC Bantustans. Bantustans also did not preserve White supremacy in South Africa; and they will not preserve APC electoral supremacy in Sierra Leone. There has to be a better way.    



KL
Reply with quote  #2 
Knice, what are the differences between tribal based voting in Sierra Leone and racial/ethnic/religious/lifestyle/regional voting based voting in the US? Why are these differences not affect the US much more than they do Sierra Leone?
KL
Reply with quote  #3 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KL
Knice, what are the differences between tribal based voting in Sierra Leone and racial/ethnic/religious/lifestyle/regional voting based voting in the US? Why are these differences not affect the US much more than they do Sierra Leone?

In such a negative way?
APC Grammar
Reply with quote  #4 
"Why are these differences not affect the US much more than they do Sierra Leone?"  KL

GRADE:  F


 Your assignment is to look for an SLPP guy or a Southeasterner and ask him how you should have written that sentence correctly.  I am waiting. 
Sengbe
Reply with quote  #5 
"...A political party is an organization of people, and that is Sierra Leone's dilemma. By whatever name, a political party in Sierra Leone at best can only have a membership of Mendes, Temnes, Kono, Limbas, Krios, etc., etc., etc..." KNICE

I do not understand why the tribal composition in the partisan structure in Sierra Leone is a "dilemma"? Especially since we are TRIBAL nation constituting of these different tribes you have named, and more.

"...If experience is any guide, in Sierra Leone such a party would sooner than later break apart into these tribal factions..." KNICE

True that! I do not believe that aspect is an un-natural tendency if that were to happen. To me that is a NATURAL tendency, and we must NOT run away from that fact. After all, LIKE DISSOLVES LIKE, as we say in Chemistry. Why are the SOCIAL CLUBS formed by Sierra Leoneans at home and in the diaspora so successful in achieving their various goals? And they are successful in implementing these goals and objectives without the exclusion of other Sierra Leoneans relative to participatory activities; the general public is NEVER excluded from being part of these activities.

The tendency to endeavor to run away from what we are is the main problem, as I see it. Some years ago I wrote an essay entitled: "Oil ehn Wata" in which I expressed the notion that; we must try to strengthen the homogeneity in our cultures and nation for the sake of buttressing the heterogeneity in our national outlook. That article is still in the archives of the Bintu if anyone wants to examine it for more details. I believe it was written in 2012. 

"...What is amusing to me is that the proponents of PPP and other such parties are completely oblivious that they are in fact proposing the recreation of what the SLPP was at inception. But the SLPP as conceived did not last because of what is now beyond any doubt, the innate tribalism of the so-called Sierra Leone people. So-called because we continue to be Mendes, Temnes, etc. and have not so far evolved into Sierra Leoneans..."

We will ALWAYS continue to be Mendes, Temnes, Limbas, Lokkos, Konos, etc., etc. Again we cannot run away from who we are.

"... We cannot always solve all the problems that we face, but we can never solve any problem if we do not squarely face it..."

So true! But our tribal affiliations are NOT the problem. We must embellish these affiliations in our diversity as a nation - the nation of Sierra Leone - in anticipation that each of the affiliations will bring positive attributes to nation-building.
Get a life!
Reply with quote  #6 
Quote:
Originally Posted by APC Grammar
"Why are these differences not affect the US much more than they do Sierra Leone?"  KL

GRADE:  F


 Your assignment is to look for an SLPP guy or a Southeasterner and ask him how you should have written that sentence correctly.  I am waiting. 


Your assignment is to get a life, Swegbe, aka Sengbe!
Sengbe
Reply with quote  #7 
So why is Sengbe's moniker being mentioned in this case, GaL?

Do you think I wrote to correct KL as APC Grammar did? You are grossly mistaken.

Indeed, you MUST Get a Life! as stated in your moniker.

Deal with the contents of the thread, and not be so obsessed with Prof. Sengbe, PAMFKer.
Lansana Kailahun
Reply with quote  #8 
Why are you so quick to defend yourself,  Sengbe?  Do you have something to protect? 
Olu
Reply with quote  #9 
Mende boys have big egos to protect so forgive Sengbe.
Nurse Kaday
Reply with quote  #10 
Oh dorti Olu.  Once he shows up tribalism starts.
Wrong!
Reply with quote  #11 
Wrong, tribalism stated with APC grammar.  
SLPP Grammar
Reply with quote  #12 
ยค Your assignment is to look for an SLPP guy or a Southeasterner and ask him how you should have written that sentence correctly". APC Grammar.

Grade:U      U means ungraded.

Should have been a SLPP guy. The articles a and an depend on the first letter only and not the pronunciation or the sound of that first letter that make up a word.

Examples: a seller, an estate. Go back to the teacher that poisoned you in the village such that you lack even basic grammar skills in English.Chai!
APC Grammar
Reply with quote  #13 
Hehehehehe "a SLPP guy"?  Never in my life as an educator have I seen such stupidity. And he goes on to write:

         "...not the pronunciation or the sound of that first letter that make up a word."

                    That make?    Hehehehehe.  This ignorant and stupid Maforki boy who claims to be from Freetown's east end will never learn.  Hehehe.  Now, go and do the assignment that I gave you.
Olu
Reply with quote  #14 
APC Grammar, aka Swegbe Sengbe the tribslistic educator, keeps exposing himself. Mende na sickness.
KL
Reply with quote  #15 
Seems like after Bra Enviable, the ballsless greengos are finding alternative ways to snipe at me. Be a man, bro, come and get me. Stop being a coward and an a$$ hole.
A word for the wise.
Reply with quote  #16 
These personal attacks are the primary reasons why this forum lacks participation. If only grown men, some who prides themselves as educators, can focus on issues that are benificial to us all, this forum will become a very resourceful place with more participation. Please fellows,  especially "APC Grammar", it is time to behave like adults.
Kuskass
Reply with quote  #17 
A forum without "kuskass" is not a good forum.  Let the guys to roll with their attacks.  Bintumani is not a church.
Sage
Reply with quote  #18 

LOL!

 

"Should have been a SLPP guy. The articles a and an depend on the first letter only and not the pronunciation or the sound of that first letter that make up a word.

Examples: a seller, an estate. Go back to the teacher that poisoned you in the village such that you lack even basic grammar skills in English.Chai!
"

 

Wrong, SLPP Grammar, "an SLPP guy" is correct. It is the pronunciation of the letter or word that determines the article. S is pronounced "ess" when you are saying the letter. I love when people who sanctimoniously correct the grammar of others fall on their butts in error. [wink]

TheOneAndOnlyMusketeer
Reply with quote  #19 
Hear!Hear! Hear!

 I love when people who sanctimoniously correct the grammar of others fall on their butts in error. [wink]
Student Of English
Reply with quote  #20 
Thank you, Sage. I decided against weighing on this for fear of driving folks away from this otherwise entertainingly intellectual metropolis. 

Also, an can also be used in front of unaspirated "h" sounds like hour, honest, herb, heir, etc. 

Click for more: https://jakubmarian.com/list-of-words-with-a-silent-h-in-english/
Eddie Grant
Reply with quote  #21 
Knice,
Are you not concern that your important topic has been reduced to war on grammar?

@grammar correctors, no one can claim monopoly on English proficiency.
What you're doing should not be regarded as a bad thing, after all some of us learn from it. However, the way in which you go about it is wrong. You can take on your perceived opponent in a topic in a multiple pronged attacks without attempting to degrade them after all, this is not a school.

One thing that seems to bother me most is the fact that, The King is constantly being picked on. He's however a very tough nut to crack. There are 2 main qualities I admire mostly about him. 1 he's unfazed by the numerous attacks and 2 he mostly write with logic something some of his attackers, as proficient as they appear in the English language lacks.
English is not the mother tongue for most of us yet we managed to put our messages across to the audience. I think this is what mattered the most.
Finally, if anyone is going to correct someone for their grammatical mistakes, please do it in a way that the person (s) will appreciate rather than discourage them.
Lonta!
KL
Reply with quote  #22 
EG, Knice will be the least to be concerned as long as the destructive behavior is not coming from APC supporters and others.  As a matter of fact he once accused APC supporters as the most destructive contributors.

Meanwhile, it is not a secret here that this antipathy between greengo desire and the truth is characterized by illusion. They hate the truth about themselves and their SLPP. They hate the fact that the SLPP is as destructive as the APC. They see things about themselves that are not there. But this goes far beyond politics and as a result, the clear and present danger of mixing politics and tribe. They hate KL because KL does not mince words in his characterizations of the SLPP. To them, KL is tribalistic because of that. Fact of the matter is KL, in his wildest dreams, will not demoralize any tribe. 

Now, as far as picking on me for my grammatical mistakes, I say to them, "bring it on"! Bring it on not because they don't make grammatical mistakes, as has been proven, but they are not very secure individuals. They have issues they are scared to confront. KL is a very secure man. KL is living the American dream! All my children are college educated; I make a decent living with my grammatical mistakes; married to my only wife for twenty six years and going; don't have a landlord and I smile everyday. I don't come here to show how well I was educated to people I don't even know. I hardly review my postings for mistakes because it does not matter to me and I care less for someone with very low self-esteem attempts to make himself looks good by putting me down. 

 





KL
Reply with quote  #23 
And before I go, tell me which one of these dumbo greengos ever, ever, come out and say one good thing about the APC or any other party? We watch with dismay what is going on within the rotten SLPP party and the closest some of them came is to support their tribal brother in the APC. If this is not an insult to their credibility what is. You and Fen Plaba criticize the APC and no APC supporter ever demoralize you. Instead they will embrace Fen Plaba as the son of the soil of the Southeast[smile]. How he was educated in the Southeast. How they know his uncle and whatever the crap is. But the moment Fen Plaba or you, EG, criticize the SLPP, they come out in droves with all nasty words. Even Bra Enviable accused Fen Plaba of imitating his writing skills. Dem SLPP borbor ya get serious issue!
DMK
Reply with quote  #24 
@KL, some of us greengoes appreciate your contribution here even if we cannot bring ourselves to see anything good in APC. The problem with APC is for me two fold. 1) The evil they have done over the years far outweighs any good they can claim. 2) I don't see any hope of that changing.

I'm not saying my party is without fault but I am far more optimistic about SLPP first making the changes it has to internally and then focusing on really transforming our country. I just can't see APC doing that. I'm not talking about a few bits of infrastructure here and there. I'm talking about deep rooted and fundamental change that would transform the lives of our people.
Grammar Police
Reply with quote  #25 
There is an all out assault on the English Language by the uneducated APC thug.  OMG!!!!


"Meanwhile, it is not a secret here that this antipathy between greengo desire and the truth is characterized by illusion."  KL

"And before I go, tell me which one of these dumbo greengos ever, ever, come out and say one good thing about the APC or any other party"  KL

"If this is not an insult to their credibility what is"  KL

"You and Fen Plaba criticize the APC and no APC supporter ever demoralize you" KL

OMG!!! Ar tire sef.  Ow e nor betteh leh we write na krio or themne?


KL
Reply with quote  #26 

DMK, the evil of the APC, according to you, might "outweighs any good they claim" and you don't see any hope of changing.  
Fair enough!

"I'm not saying my party is without fault but I am
far more optimistic about SLPP first making the 
changes it has to internally and then focusing on 
really transforming our country." 

So, DMK, give me reasons why are you so optimistic about the SLPP.



 






@KL, some of us greengoes appreciate your contribution here even if we cannot bring ourselves to see anything good in APC. The problem with APC is for me two fold. 1) The evil they have done over the years far outweighs any good they can claim. 2) I don't see any hope of that changing. 


I'm not saying my party is without fault but I am far more optimistic about SLPP first making the changes it has to internally and then focusing on really transforming our country. I just can't see APC doing that. I'm not talking about a few bits of infrastructure here and there. I'm talking about deep rooted and fundamental change that would transform the lives of our people.
Eddie Grant
Reply with quote  #27 
@DMK,
While I agree with you to certain extent about the APC, I'll equally like to point out that the SLPP harbour the same tendency of misrule. We're unable to equate the two because SLPP spent less time in governance compared to the APC.
But there's one irrefutable truth about your SLPP. APC is renowned for its long spell in power courtesy of the ONE PARTY system. But only because they beat the SLPP to it. The plan for the one party state was first conceived by the SLPP having realised that there's little chance of winning elections in the country after hijacking the party as a Mende man party.
The odds became even higher after the infamous 1974 BO riot in which the Mendes demanded that all Northerners, especially the Temnes and Limbas vacate their territory. It was as if the south-east was a completely foreign territory from the rest of Sierra Leone.
Ever since the SLPP lost the 1967 elections, they made it virtually impossible for the APC to rule in harmony. That is not to say that if they allow the APC rule in peace they could have done better. My point here is, these duo have a lot to show to one another than to move the country forward. This is one good reason we must be unanimous to do away with the 2 parties.
The continous promulgation of their agendas is equal to accepting backwardness as the norm. Which is why it's very important to discuss the formation of new political parties, ones that are devoid of any leaning with the two. Even if we feel that discussion on new parties will never come to fruition, we could easily motivate some people here.
David Thorlu
Reply with quote  #28 
Eddie Grant,

I don't think you are not an honest guy.  Why do you refuse to state that most of the elections that the APC have won in Sierra Leone have been rigged in favor of the APC?  Why have you also refused to state that it was APC's Siaka Stevens that introduced thuggery into Salone politics?

Look man, the SLPP is not a perfect political party. But honestly, there is no moral equivalence between the SLPP and APC as far as Salone's political history is concerned.   Whereas the SLPP has always upheld the principles of democracy and the rule of law throughout its history, the APC has always been a violent political party that thrives on intimidation and the violation of human rights in Salone.  

Can you really compare Siaka Stevens, Joseph Momoh and Ernest Koroma to Sir Milton Margai, Sir Albert Margai and Ahmad Tejan Kabbah?   Milton Margai, Albert Margai and Tejan Kabbah were democrats whose commitment to democratic governance and the rule of law was never questioned.  Conversely, the street corner value system of Siaka Stevens, Joseph Momoh and Ernest Koroma, with its accompanying kleptocracy is what has destroyed Salone's political, economic and moral fabric.

Look, dissolving the APC and the SLPP and forming new political parties will never be the solution to Salone's multi-dimensional problems.  Southeasterners are never going to trust Northerners due to the latter's greed for political power.  And I say this as a man whose father hails from the North - Makeni.  I was born of a Themne Father and a Mende mother, attended primary school in the North and entered and graduated from Bo School in Bo.  But I have never been and will never be a member of the thuggish APC party.

Also, I cannot remember any riots in Bo in 1974.  I was at Bo School at that time and my parents and I always traveled between the South and the North.  Never was my Themne father ever harassed in Bo.  He lived a very comfortable life in Bo until his death ten years ago.
Eddie Grant
Reply with quote  #29 
@David Thorlu,
I don't want to sound as if I'm defending APC. But you've not countered any of the points I raised except that you added more credence to my well summarised assertions.
I am not a historian, perhaps they could be in better position to disprove what I said. I've already agreed with DMK's views about the APC to certain extent and that may include your perception of who among your aforementioned leaders is worse. That's not the point in discussion now, it's crystal clear that the 2 parties have not done enough to alleviate the suffering of the people. You can paint your SLPP as the most democratic party, but you hide the fact that it's all in your imagination and never the reality. What happened to Tejan Kabbah when he decided to respect the will of the people? Did he become enemy number one for the SLPP. Wasn't he regarded as a traitor, and APC mole etc. And this is the so called democratic SLPP.
My friend, your reluctance to rid the country of bad omens is the very reason we continue to wallow in backwardness whilst our West African counterparts like Ghana are moving.
Do you now realise that we, the ordinary supporters have a bigger problem than the parties in question?
We can only defeat the canker worm in our politics if we can muster the courage to relinquish tribal affection. Until then we will continue to follow behind like a tail.
You stated that you did not recall the troubles in Bo, well, I'll like you to make enquiries about this to people with long memory.
David Thorlu
Reply with quote  #30 
Eddie Grant,

It is folks like you that are dragging Sierra Leone down.  From your contributions on this forum, I can discern that not only are you a member of the APC but you are also a core tribalist.  I have never seen a contribution from you that has not taken a veiled shot at Mendes.  Yet you like to pass yourself off as a tribal neutral guy.  Why do you have such an innate hatred for Mende folks?

Also, did you go to bed and dream about a riot in Bo?  I was a resident of Bo in 1974, a secondary school student and can tell you authoritatively that there were no riots in Bo in 1974.  Why are you making things up to destroy the image of a town that has always been so hospitable to folks from other regions of Salone?

Further, what proof do you have that Ahmad Tejan Kabbah was regarded as a traitor in the SLPP? Man, it is folks like you that conjure up things and start peddling them around to create trouble among people.  You are too stuck in your primordial tribal thinking and hatred.  How can a fellow like you ever feel comfortable among people that are different than you?
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